# The 'Frog Cave' (Pic heavy)



## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

I've posted a few pics on my other thread, but I thought I'd start a new with a before, during, and almost done pics.

A couple months ago my wife was sweet enough to give her blessing to convert our garage into a frog room/man cave...the 'Frog Cave'. 

Here it was at it's worst. We had to store some stuff for a while. (Don't judge. Lol.) 



Cut a hole in the wall and installed a window.



Cleared the walls.





Changed the DVD library from a full wall (Older pic)...



Into towers that hold over 1500 DVD's. I needed the wall space. 



The beginning of a rack.



Textured the ceiling.



Painted the walls and added some shelves.



I needed a place for some tadpoles...



So, I made some full extension drawers.






With a little personal touch. 



And a light overhead to shine down.




Custom made a removable garage door cover with R19 insulation as batting and industrial velcro all the way to seal out the cold. Looking forward to removing it and opening up the Frog Cave on 70 degree days.



Stocked up on some tanks to finish the racks and to build a froglet rack.




These next 7 pics is where it stands today after 2 months of weekend efforts. 









I still have a lot of work to do, but I'm pretty happy with how it's shaping up. It's a nice place to relax. Getting sent to my room isn't such a bad thing! 

-Chris


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## Frog pool13 (Oct 30, 2013)

Looks fantastic keep up the good work!


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## Brian317 (Feb 11, 2011)

Looks amazing in person and in the photos!  Good job!


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## Dartfrogfreak (Jun 22, 2005)

This is awesome!

I hope someday I get to a point where I create such an awesome man cave.



Todd


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## scoy (Jan 22, 2013)

So a million dvds but no tv/dvd player? Dont get me wrong I understand just enjoying the vivs and frogs. Either way, awsome gettaway you got there.


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## frogface (Feb 20, 2010)

Great job! So what are you doing next weekend? I've got a little garage project for you here


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

scoy said:


> So a million dvds but no tv/dvd player? Dont get me wrong I understand just enjoying the vivs and frogs. Either way, awsome gettaway you got there.


I didn't point it out and it's not real obvious, but if you look closer at a couple pics you'll see more. I have a 32" flat screen, satellite, blu-ray DVD, surround sound, Xbox 360, and internet all wired in. The TV is in the hutch where they'll be vert vivs in each side. Xbox is in base of cabinet. Speakers mounted in each of the upper corners of the room. Matter of fact, I'm in the recliner playing Diablo III on the Xbox with my 17 year old son and 15 year old step-daughter now. 

Thanks, Chris


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## scoy (Jan 22, 2013)

I see it now. Guess I was to focused on the vivs.


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## Toxic (Jul 9, 2012)

wow that is really beautiful. i wish i had a room like that


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## ecichlid (Dec 26, 2012)

I'm so stupid, we keep cars in our garage. I have to talk to my wife.

Who's the Bears fan?


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## oldlady25715 (Nov 17, 2007)

Awsome setup. Your wife is going to miss you!


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## Brian317 (Feb 11, 2011)

oldlady25715 said:


> Awsome setup. Your wife is going to miss you!


His wife is gonna love it!


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## frogface (Feb 20, 2010)

I can see it now. The rest of the house falls into decay as the family moves into the Frog Cave.


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## that Frog Guy (May 13, 2012)

Awesome, very nice Set Up.


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## Giga (Mar 31, 2011)

We need more pics of each viv now


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## Adam R (Jun 26, 2013)

Brian317 said:


> His wife is gonna love it!


my wife would die if i even considered this


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## Brian317 (Feb 11, 2011)

Adam R said:


> my wife would die if i even considered this


lol!

After I visited Chris' new frog garage, I had a conversation with my wife that went like this:

Me- "Hey, so one of my frogger friends converted his garage into an awesome frog room and I was wonderi...."

Wife- "NO!"

Well, I tried!!!


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

Thank you for all the very kind (and funny) comments!  Made me smile and laugh!

My wife claims to be the Bears fan and I'm more of the Colts fan. In truth, I'm fan of both. We live in between Chicago and Indianapolis. 

Sorry Kris, I think I'm still going to be tied up with my project for a while.  Although, I do love the Carolinas! Lol. If I ever make it back out there, I think I need to stop by to see your amazing collection.

Brian, you really crack me up! Nice try!  

I'll try to post some pics of the vivs in a few months.  I'm pretty embarrassed of the sad state of some of them right now. I have a lot of catching up to do with the plants. Need a lot of trimming, removing, and adding. 

Over the winter, I hope to be working on building the twin verts in the hutch, the 65 hex, a 55, (4) 20's, and completely redoing and moving the 150 into the Frog Cave. Oh, and raising over 200 more frogs that will be morphing out in the next couple months. 

Thanks again!

-Chris


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## bsr8129 (Sep 23, 2010)

Any info on your tadpole setup. Dimension of drawers what hardware you used and how many cups can you add per drawer.


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

bsr8129 said:


> Any info on your tadpole setup. Dimension of drawers what hardware you used and how many cups can you add per drawer.


I made the drawers to have inside dimensions of 16"X32" with 16" full extension drawer slides. They hold 26 cups each. I went 18 drawers high with a total capacity of 468. Granted, the upper drawers won't be the most convenient, but still easily accessible with a step stool.

I was trying to carefully calculate where everything was going to go and how to maximize what wall space I had. I could have easily made it strictly a frog room and filled the middle of the room with racks too, but that's not what I was wanting.

My goal was to have an enjoyable, relaxing room where I can sit down with family, or friends, or just myself, to enjoy the sounds/sights of the frogs, watch a good movie, play a game of darts, etc. Hence, the man cave/frog room...Frog Cave. Enjoying and having the frogs is the first priority and the reason for being in the hobby. Having a full room setup and have the breeding/offspring is just an added benefit. I wouldn't want a room that the only time I go in there is to do "work". 

-Chris


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## rigel10 (Jun 1, 2012)

The room looks very large. How do you keep good temps for frogs and tadpoles?


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

I added extra insulation under the racks and around the bottom corner. It is left open between the living room and frog cave to help balance out the temperature. I use a thermostat controlled heater in the far corner. I also have an additional heater as backup if needed. 
The window was installed for two reasons. First, I wanted some daylight to the room (on the far side away from the vivs). More importantly, I needed a place for my thermostat controlled window air conditioner. 
I monitor the temps with the LaCrosse system where I can check the dual sensors from anywhere, anytime. It also sends alerts to my phone if the temps fluctuate too much. 
I'm also tempted with the thought to add a heat/AC duct from our central system into the room. It's easy enough to access in the attic.


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

A Christmas addition to the Frog Cave!

My wife and kids thought some popcorn would go nice with the movies! I love it!




There were also so kind to provide me with cash and gift cards for hobby expenses! 

Last, but not least...



-Chris


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## calebrez (Dec 9, 2009)

You could make a sweet tank out of that popcorn machine lol  


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## branman1986 (Nov 25, 2013)

Oh my goodness, I want to hang out in there so bad!

Nice Xmas present!!


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## FroggyKnight (Mar 14, 2013)

Awesome popcorn maker! I got one of those last year. It works like a charm

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!


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## ndame88 (Sep 24, 2010)

The Cave looks great Chris!


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## T2theG (Jul 6, 2013)

Great Googa Mooga! 

It's heaven on earth. I need one of these one day.

Please update with more pics when you can.

Kind regards,


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## Dragonfish (Mar 23, 2012)

I can't tell from the pic, so forgive me if I'm wrong. Do yourself and get a jar of real coconut oil to do the popping. Nothing else can give you the "real" movie theater popcorn taste. I love my little popper and have been working for a couple years to get it just right. Also, stick to white popcorn kernels as they pop up fluffier.


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

The work space. Feeders & more...

Hydei Fruit Flies
Melanogaster Fruit Flies
Turkish Glider Fruit Flies
Bean Beetles
White Springtails
Pink Springtails
Silver Springtails
White Isopods
Purple Isopods
Giant Orange Isopods



A new plant courtesy of my wife- 



AND a new generator! I can breathe easier now.


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## treyb (Mar 5, 2012)

Looks like quite the frog cave!


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

My wife had this waiting on my desk for me when I got home from work. A very cool addition to the Frog Cave decor. 



-Chris


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

Very, very excited! 

My wife caved to my begging! Well, it came as a trade off. She gets new furniture and I get (drum roll)... a 60" Samsung for the Cave. I love it! It's already unboxed and waiting to hang on wall. The hutch comes out and I'm installing (6) 10 gallon verts under a shelf that I'm building below the TV. More got added to my to-do-list, but very well worth it.

-Chris


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## Mrbeans (Mar 11, 2007)

Pretty bad ass Man/Frog cave.

I've been trying to convince my wife of that for the past 4 yrs but all I get is a stern look and sleeping on the couch. Some me are so lucky. lol

Great job, keep sharing some pics.


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## Tropicaldarts (Sep 12, 2013)

WOW... Looks like someone has great talent and some serious F.U. money. Very nice!!!


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

Thank you very much! 



Tropicaldarts said:


> WOW... Looks like someone has great talent and some serious F.U. money. Very nice!!!


Lol. I appreciate it, but I think I have a minimal amount of talent. As far as the F.U. money...very funny and unfortunately not true. I've been very fortunate with a combination of being frugal, great opportunities, a fair amount of overtime, hard work on the weekends, and very large amounts of luck. 

I'm extremely thankful for the support of my wife, kids, and all of those in the hobby that have helped me so far. Some may call it crazy, I prefer to call it passion! 

Thanks, Chris


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## Tropicaldarts (Sep 12, 2013)

Oh yea, I over looked the support factor. I wish my wife gave me just a touch of support when it comes to my hobby. Still, their is a major WOW factor with all the hard work put into a kick ass set up.

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## ecichlid (Dec 26, 2012)

I have seen Chris' setup. He's careful with spending money on his hobby. He has only used two of the six bays of his garage for his Frog Cave. He does not ground up anything higher than 20 dollar bills for leaf litter. And although I do think using Fiji Water for his spray system is a bit extravagant, overall you would have to say he is frugal.


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

Lmao Eric! You're killing me!



ecichlid said:


> I have seen Chris' setup. He's careful with spending money on his hobby. He has only used two of the six bays of his garage for his Frog Cave. He does not ground up anything higher than 20 dollar bills for leaf litter. And although I do think using Fiji Water for his spray system is a bit extravagant, overall you would have to say he is frugal.


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## Dendrobati (Jul 27, 2012)

ecichlid said:


> I have seen Chris' setup. He's careful with spending money on his hobby. He has only used two of the six bays of his garage for his Frog Cave. He does not ground up anything higher than 20 dollar bills for leaf litter. And although I do think using Fiji Water for his spray system is a bit extravagant, overall you would have to say he is frugal.


Although I haven't yet seen it, I have heard about this too.

I gotta say something though... I did hear that one of his tanks has a few 100 dollar bills as leaf litter. In my opinion, that is just too much. 

Marta


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## Tincman (Jan 18, 2013)

Space+Time+Passion+Resources= Nice sweet Frog Cave man! IM planning on getting one in my next home also... Im missing the typical ingredient us New yorkers lack... Space!lol Im out of it aside form putting Vivs on my ceilings!lol


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## kaki (Jul 20, 2013)

amazing room man, really love it. you got mine beat by far i think


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

Thank you so much for all the compliments! It's nothing fancy, but I really enjoy it. My happy place. 

Over the next few months, I hope to wrap up the remaining projects I have going on in there and finish the little stuff. After that, I'll get some updated pics and maybe a video of the room.

Some of the bigger stuff on the to-do-list (I think I need help)...
- Finish rebuilding split 55
- Build 65 Hex
- Build 6 (or more) 10 gallon verts. Glass is ordered and other parts are in to make my own conversions.
- Remove hutch and mount new TV
- Build new rack to go below TV for verts
- The big boy... Completely empty, clean out, move to the cave, and rebuild the 150 gallon Leuc viv.

...then relax and listen to the calls. 

Thanks, Chris


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

I never posted the 'one more step closer' pic a while back. So here's what it looks like as of now...



My glass came in to build the verts...



I'm very honored to have traded or bought shirts from a few very respectable folks in the hobby. I'll be displaying these on one wall in the Cave. Dendrobati's shirt will still be coming in the near future. Many thanks to Shawn, Mike R., Josh, Mike N., Brad, and Marta! 
(If anyone else has a frog hobby/business shirt that should go on the wall, then please feel free to get in touch with me!)







I also picked up a whole lotta plants, some frogs, and some supplies. I'll post them on the other thread.

Thanks, Chris


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## ecichlid (Dec 26, 2012)

I know whose garage I'm staying at next time I'm in trouble with the Mrs.


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## dsaundry (Sep 29, 2011)

Amazing set up dude, Do you have any humidity issues?


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

A little more progress on vert row...

My custom built vents. All glass with screen sandwiched between.



The false bottoms.



One of them starting to come together.



The row set in place while watching 'Ted'. 



And what it looks like a quitting time tonight. 



Thanks, Chris


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## Jeremy M (Oct 19, 2012)

Progress looks awesome man... and damn, those vents look _sleek_!


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## ecichlid (Dec 26, 2012)

Nice! Love the continuous cork tube.


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## KeithS (May 27, 2008)

Chris,
This looks great. Keep up the good work.


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

Thank you very much! I appreciate the kind words! 

-Chris


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## rigel10 (Jun 1, 2012)

The view is wonderful! I wonder how you can watch TV with all these vivs around.


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

A few updated pics.

Got some work done on the 65 Hex over the last couple weeks. Sorry, the pic isn't too good.



My group of 6 Vanzos are now in it. 



Bennies, Baja Huallaga, and Banded Imitators are now settled into their new vivs on vert row. Still looking to add some more broms and maybe a few more plants.





Just a random shot of the Matechos and I admiring the ficus growth. 



Also, my very first viv, the 150 gallon Leuc setup, is now empty. Leucs and plants are in large temp containers. I finished scraping the glass this past weekend. It's made the move out to the cave and about to get rebuilt. I'll be trying a build using Universal rocks, waterfalls, creek, and having it visible through all sides. (Wish me luck! )

Thanks, Chris


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## markpulawski (Nov 19, 2004)

So how was it heating that space during the brutal winter you all endured? Here in Florida we don't really have heating systems per say and my fly production suffers dramatically during the month or 2 of off and on 65 degree days here in the house.


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

It wasn't as bad as I feared considering the weather we had. We usually have the door between the living room and frog room open. I used a thermostat controlled space heater in the far corner and then another space heater on the bitter cold days that it had trouble keeping up. Last week I picked up the materials I need to run a duct for central AC/heat. Hopefully I'll get that done in the next week or two.


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## rigel10 (Jun 1, 2012)

You have done a "Sixfecta"! 
Nice overall view!


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## Dr Christopher McHale (Apr 3, 2014)

kitcolebay said:


> The work space. Feeders & more
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## Brian317 (Feb 11, 2011)

I sure as heck would spend all my time in that frog cave!


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## ecichlid (Dec 26, 2012)

Brian317 said:


> I sure as heck would spend all my time in that frog cave!


Brian, you already have a hut. No complaining for you.


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

Thanks guys! I do spend a pretty good amount of time out there. With trying to finish up some projects, then the majority of it is spent working. Occasionally I sit down to watch a movie and usually fall asleep in the process. On weekend mornings, it's nice to just lay back on the couch and listen to the calls. Right now I'd say it's about 90% work/ 10% relax in the Cave. My goal is to complete the major things/builds soon and slide the scale to more like 10% work/ 90% relax.


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

Another late night and got 12 new outlets on their own dedicated breaker for the Frog Cave now. 

-Chris


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## BlackFrogExotics (Jan 9, 2014)

Hey chris the vine in the last pic growing up the wall. What is it

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## mykoe817 (Apr 16, 2014)

BlackFrogExotics said:


> Hey chris the vine in the last pic growing up the wall. What is it
> 
> Sent from my SCH-R960 using Tapatalk


I too would like to know what kind of vine plant that is. Your photography is amazing! Thank you for sharing. 

-Myke


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

I'm not as much of a plant guy as I should be. I just know of it as a standard ficus. I sent a message to the great Mike Rizzo to get a better I.D. of it to share.

-Chris


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

BlackFrogExotics said:


> Hey chris the vine in the last pic growing up the wall. What is it
> 
> Sent from my SCH-R960 using Tapatalk



Mike says Ficus Pumila.


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

Very happy to have added some Copperhead Fantastica to the room! Thanks to Brian Burris for bringing them by!  Also, a pleasure seeing Chris Miller again!



Another new addition coming next weekend, but I'll wait to do that reveal!  Looking forward to Mike Rizzo's Michigan meeting.

The weekend after that is hosting the IDS (Indiana Dendrobatid Society) meeting.

Couple awesome weeks!  

-Chris


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## mykoe817 (Apr 16, 2014)

Looking good! Need more pictures of the little guy. I can't wait till I can find some Ranitomeya*summersi for my group. Planning a large 36x18x24 for them.


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## shawq0x01 (Sep 25, 2013)

That is a really great copperhead you have there! I'm also a big fan of the Vanzos too. Your room looks amazing!


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

Thank you very much! 

Here's a couple not-so-good pics of yesterday's new arrivals! Very excited to have picked up our new Koetari from Troy while at the Michigan meeting hosted by Glass Box Tropicals (Mike & Brianne). 





-Chris


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## rigel10 (Jun 1, 2012)

These Koetari have a crazy dark blue! Congrats


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## Limitedjive (Jan 16, 2013)

Cool addition Chris, keep us updated!!
http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/members-frogs-vivariums/159266-office.html


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

Thanks!

Limitedjive, are you coming up to the meeting on Sunday? 

-Chris


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## p51mustang23 (Mar 18, 2014)

I've been trying to figure out what my viv is missing. Now I know, It's a ficus! 

Anyways, this frog cave has to be the most awesome thing ever. Someday, I will attempt to match it's awesomeness.


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## ecichlid (Dec 26, 2012)

p51mustang23 said:


> I've been trying to figure out what my viv is missing. Now I know, It's a ficus!


Yeah, if those Matecho's could talk they would be saying "Holy crap does that stuff grow fast!"


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## eos (Dec 6, 2008)

Wow. That row of verts looks super sweet!!! Don't worry, those back walls won't be empty much longer man.


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## rigel10 (Jun 1, 2012)

ecichlid said:


> Yeah, if those Matecho's could talk they would be saying "Holy crap does that stuff grow fast!"


I have in my vivs a plant that grows faster: Pilea nummularifolia. Real weed! I love background with ficus!


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## Limitedjive (Jan 16, 2013)

Wish i could Chris but I have to work all day sunday:/... I really want to see the frog cave.


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

My apologies for the lack of updates on here lately. I tend to post updates a little quicker and easier on the facebook page. Still in the middle of a few projects. 

Here's one thing I'd like to share...

I'm looking to start something new beginning on September 1st. I've mentioned this briefly before. It'll be on a trial basis and subject to change as needed. I'm posting now to allow time to modify and refine the guidelines/restrictions. Any suggestions and thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Here's what I have so far...

"Leucs for Little Ones" -
2 young Leucs for free to any family that has a child interested. Shipping not included. Pickup available.

- These are meant to be for the children. Not the parents. It's main focus is to bring the family together and allow an enjoyable activity/hobby for parents to educate their children. With this in mind, then the first condition is...
- A written request must be submitted by the child. It can be done in any way, including Crayola. 
-This is for children 16 and under. 
- Only one offer per household.
- The proper research must be done ahead of time.
- The family must have the basic understanding and ability to feed the frogs (fruit flies and cultures).
- A photo must be posted or submitted to show that the family has already built an appropriate home (vivarium) for the frogs.

Ultimately, I'd be tickled if I had letters from children covering the fridge in the Frog Cave and follow-ups of how much the family has enjoyed watching their Leucs grow up.

Obviously, there's a fear of the program or frogs being abused. Anyone that does not appear to have the best interest of the children or the frogs in mind, will be refused. Any abuse of the program will result in its termination.

This is an absolutely wonderful hobby. The frogs are fascinating and unique. It'd be my pleasure to help share these beautiful creatures with young minds and dedicated parents. 

Thanks, Chris


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

1/2 of the room.


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## jarteta97 (Jun 13, 2014)

Haha, love the panoramic view


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## easternversant (Sep 4, 2012)

Damn....that is a sweet frog cave. I'm envious!


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## ecichlid (Dec 26, 2012)

I think Chris calling it a "Cave" is quite modest. Maybe the 'Frog Palace' would be more appropriate. Can you imagine what it cost to put this together? I think if I had Chris' money I would burn mine. I assume he works on Wall Street as one of those investment bankers, selling products that we simple people could never understand..


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

Lmao! Mr. Ecichlid (Eric), you are so full of $#^?!! I believe you have used the word "frugal" when it came to my methods of creatively doing it all myself on a limited budget! If I collected you're property taxes for one year, THEN I'd have a frog palace! Touche' pooty tat! 

Thanks Adam, Jarteta,...and Eric! 

-Chris


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## ecichlid (Dec 26, 2012)

kitcolebay said:


> If I collected you're property taxes for one year, THEN I'd have a frog palace! Touche' pooty tat!


  Hey', its not my fault I live in Cook County. It's where I'm from. 



kitcolebay said:


> Lmao! Mr. Ecichlid (Eric), you are so full of $#^?!! I believe you have used the word "frugal" when it came to my methods of creatively doing it all myself on a limited budget!


 Ok, ok, I'm just kidding about Chris and Wall Street! One of the coolest things about Chris' cave is how he did what he did with minimal dollars, alot of elbow grease and some real ingenuity.


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

Awe Eric, now I'm blushing. Golly gee! Thank you sir!


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## Brian317 (Feb 11, 2011)

Get a room you two!!!


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## ecichlid (Dec 26, 2012)

Brian317 said:


> Get a room you two!!!



Don't make me gush over your room Brian. Brian's frog room is so clean and sterile; the frogs feel obligated to wipe up the vitamin supplements on the leaf litter after they eat. It's so spotless that when a frog poops on the glass, another frog immediately comes there with a squirt bottle and a squeegee to clean it up. Subsequently, the frog that pooped apologizes to Brian. I'm not kidding. It's like an operating room.


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## Brian317 (Feb 11, 2011)

Hahaha! You know how hard it is to train a frog to use a squirt bottle?


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

A couple exciting new additions added this weekend...

Mourning Geckos added to the 150 gallon Leuc viv- 



Hylomantis Lemur Leaf Frogs- 







-Chris


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## GBR (Jun 7, 2013)

OMG! I could stay in that room forever! Nice build! hahaha


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## kitcolebay (Apr 7, 2012)

It's been 2 1/2 years since I've updated this. It's had quite a few adjustments since then. It's about to go through another major change that I'll try to post in the coming weeks.


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## azbombero (Dec 4, 2009)

The popcorn machine is great


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## andfrogs (Apr 26, 2017)

Looking great! I would be interested to hear about the sterilization process for the money litter- do you use bills that have been in circulation for a while or only new bills? Is baking it really enough?


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